View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: do you think my starter is dying? |
|
|
at startup my starter is making a grinding noise from the front end of the starter - not at the flywheel. It stopped after about 30-45 seconds. I tried it again and got the same response. I checked the bolts to make sure it was fastened to the vehicle properly but the noise and vibration seems to be coming from the front end of the starter.
I also looked at the archives trying to see if it needed to be lubricated but did not find anything - my manuals say the lubrication should be done at rebuild but this starter is only 2 years old.
Any help is appreciated _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hillbilly21 Member
Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 510 Location: North Carolina
|
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: starter |
|
|
could be the bendix going out of it |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Ryan_Miller Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 1652 Location: Kansas
|
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
I would take it off and check your ring gear teeth on the ring gear and starter are OK.
Then I would consider digging into the starter. _________________ Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
it is such a pain in the ass to take out - has anybody found an easy way to get at the bolts without pulling the air filter etc.... _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Ryan_Miller Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 1652 Location: Kansas
|
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Pull the fender off
Just kidding.
Some things are difficult and I don't know a better way other than going from the bottom side.
It builds character and what does not kill you makes you stronger right?
Just trying to cheer you up. _________________ Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16365 Location: Wisconsin
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
so the question is do you run it til it dies or pull it and rebuild it now? _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Ryan_Miller Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 1652 Location: Kansas
|
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I am the kind of person that likes to have things running well.
I would pull it and fix it. _________________ Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16365 Location: Wisconsin
|
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
Shouldn't be any question at all. The starter has some very tough demands placed onit. The high current draw and high torques developed will cause irreparable damage if the starter is allowed to continue in service while it is so obvious there is something seriously wrong inside of it.
If you take immediate action you may be able to save the high cost of replacing any trashed parts like the armature, field coils and etc if the bearings are bad. Or the armature if the brushes or their steel holders are bad and they damage the commutator surface. A bad bearing can quickly lead to a wobbling armature which can cause the pinion gear to jump on the flywheel ring gear. A damaged ring gear means the engine comes out to replace the flywheel/ring gear.
It is much cheaper to perform preventative maintenance then it is to replace high dollar parts because we just let it go awhile longer. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php |
|
Back to top |
|
|
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks all - points well taken - I am off to pull a starter!!!! _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16365 Location: Wisconsin
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:30 am Post subject: STARTER |
|
|
ok - I took the starter to the rebuilder - and the pinion gear (i think that is the right term) has a threaded end that keeps it in place and prevents it from staying engaged to the flywheel. the nut that holds it in place is broken. I am looking in my manual which shows an exploded view of the starter and can not locate the extact part number or even the part. The closest thing I see isa yoke. Has anyone else had a similar experience or know where to locate the internal parts?
I would assume i need to find a dead starter to rob parts off of. IF so does anyone have one??? _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16365 Location: Wisconsin
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
m37m38 Member
Joined: May 11, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Tucson, AZ
|
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I have the early starter _________________ M37M38
1951 M38
1952 M37
1944 Ford GPW
M416 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16365 Location: Wisconsin
|
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Then it is item AC whose end is damaged. You should be using the copies of the TM 9-1825B pages I loaded on the web site for your repair work on the starter or your shop mechanic should be using it. The overunning clutch assembly (Item AC) is a sealed unit for which no repairs are approved and no individual parts are stocked. This means you need a new item AC. (Auto-Lite # MZ2244, WO# 117898, Ord# 7375106) _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|