Joined: Oct 31, 2016 Posts: 127 Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: Fuel Tank Sender Wire
I just pulled an intact and complete fuel sender wire from an M38 yesterday. It measures 57 and 5/8 inches tip to tip.
While we are on this topic, I am looking for a source for the cloth covering protecting this wire where it passes through a metal support brace attached to the side of the body which would be around the driver's left thigh. The protective cloth is dirty gray now but may have been white originally. It was close to 18 inches long.
Thanks for any help.
Charles _________________ Trip
Houston TX
51 M38 MC 25423
52 M38
M38 recently acquired Some parts only, roller
67 CJ5
51 CJ3A
49 CJ2A
Joined: Feb 17, 2012 Posts: 530 Location: Del City, OK
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:00 pm Post subject:
The cloth covering is called Loom, it is a cloth weave covered in a black tar like substance. It comes in many sizes. most likely the size you need is 3/8" or 1/4".
It is available by the foot from Restoration Specialties...
Joined: Oct 31, 2016 Posts: 127 Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:14 pm Post subject: Fuel Tank Sender Wires
I hate to continue hi-jacking this thread but can anyone verify the original color of this particular loom? The website referral shows about a half dozen black looms and one white (choke tube loom). The white loom resembles what I "pulled " yesterday in color, texture and size more than any of the black ones.
Thanks for everyone's help,
Trip _________________ Trip
Houston TX
51 M38 MC 25423
52 M38
M38 recently acquired Some parts only, roller
67 CJ5
51 CJ3A
49 CJ2A
Last edited by Trip on Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
Charles, I split this topic so you wouldn't be hi-jacking the original thread and now you just tried to hijack your own thread. I would suggest you edit your last post and make a seperate post addressing Hal's vent line production business. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Feb 17, 2012 Posts: 530 Location: Del City, OK
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject:
All the loom on the M-38 is BLACK... The reason yours is White/ Gray is it is over 60 yrs old and has been exposed to lots of weather...
There are pieces of loom on the Electrical, Fuel and Venting systems... _________________ Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK
The M38 ORD 8 shows only one loom or conduit PN 17-C-18035-50 1/4"
This is what the NSN breakdowns are for the primary sizes:
Quote:
NSN 5975-01-010-8919 17-C-18035-40 3/16” ID, ¼” OD
Product Details | FLEXIBLE NONMETALLIC CONDUIT
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5975-01-010-8919 A conduit of one piece flexible, nonmetallic, tubular construction. The item may have an outer covering for additional mechanical protection, a woven wire braid for interference suppression, and/or wire reinforcement. For items having rated electrical characteristics, see INSULATION SLEEVING, ELECTRICAL. Excludes TUBING, NONMETALLIC; and TUBING, PLASTIC, SPIRAL WRAP. Excludes conduit like items that are designed for other than electrical applications.
Part Alternates: HHT791, HH-T-791, LOOM 3/16 ID, LOOM316ID, 17C1803540, 17-C-18035-40, 5401, 683, 7801, 5975-01-010-8919, 01-010-8919, 5975010108919, 010108919
Electrical and Electronic Equipment Components | Electrical Hardware and Supplies
Supply Group (FSG) NSN Assign. NIIN Item Name Code (INC)
59
09 OCT 1975 01-010-8919 29529 ( CONDUIT, NONMETALLIC, FLEXIBLE )
________________________________________
Part Number Cage Code Manufacturer
17-C-18035-40 19207
U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM
5401 81774
GENERAL CABLE CORPORATION DBA GENERAL CABLE
683 79550
ELECTRO-WIRE PRODUCTS INC
7801 16428
BELDEN WIRE & CABLE COMPANY LLC DBA BELDEN CDT ELECTRONICS DIVISION
HH-T-791 81348
FEDERAL SPECIFICATIONS PROMULGATED BY GENERAL SERVICES
LOOM 3/16 ID 97030
SAYLOR FRANK D AND SON INC
Technical Data | NSN 5975-01-010-8919
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Characteristic Specifications
TRADE SIZE 0.188
STYLE DESIGNATOR B1 PLAIN CONDUIT
INSIDE DIAMETER 0.188 INCHES NOMINAL
HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS/ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FLAME RESISTANT
NONDEFINITIVE SPEC/STD DATA 3/16 SIZE
DEPARTURE FROM CITED DESIGNATOR AS MODIFIED BY TRADE SIZE
MANUFACTURERS CODE 81348
NON-DEFINITIVE GOVERNMENT SPEC/STD REFERENCE HH-T-791
5975-01-217-8550 17-C-180-35-50 CONDUIT,NONMETALLIC. ¼” ID, 5/16” OD
Product Details | FLEXIBLE NONMETALLIC CONDUIT
5975-01-217-8550 A conduit of one piece flexible, nonmetallic, tubular construction. The item may have an outer covering for additional mechanical protection, a woven wire braid for interference suppression, and/or wire reinforcement. For items having rated electrical characteristics, see INSULATION SLEEVING, ELECTRICAL. Excludes TUBING, NONMETALLIC; and TUBING, PLASTIC, SPIRAL WRAP. Excludes conduit like items that are designed for other than electrical applications.
Part Alternates: 5975-01-217-8550, 01-217-8550, 5975012178550, 012178550
Electrical and Electronic Equipment Components | Electrical Hardware and Supplies
Supply Group (FSG) NSN Assign. NIIN Item Name Code (INC)
59
01-217-8550 29529 ( CONDUIT, NONMETALLIC, FLEXIBLE )
5975-00-177-1930 17-C-18035-60 CONDUIT,NONMETALLIC. 5/16” ID, 3/8” OD
Product Details | FLEXIBLE NONMETALLIC CONDUIT
________________________________________
5975-00-177-1930 A conduit of one piece flexible, nonmetallic, tubular construction. The item may have an outer covering for additional mechanical protection, a woven wire braid for interference suppression, and/or wire reinforcement. For items having rated electrical characteristics, see INSULATION SLEEVING, ELECTRICAL. Excludes TUBING, NONMETALLIC; and TUBING, PLASTIC, SPIRAL WRAP. Excludes conduit like items that are designed for other than electrical applications.
Part Alternates: A325989D, HHT791, LOOM 5/16 ID, LOOM516ID, 17C1803560, 17C18035-60, 5325989, 5975-00-177-1930, 00-177-1930, 5975001771930, 001771930
Electrical and Electronic Equipment Components | Electrical Hardware and Supplies
Supply Group (FSG) NSN Assign. NIIN Item Name Code (INC)
59
04 FEB 1970 00-177-1930 29529 ( CONDUIT, NONMETALLIC, FLEXIBLE )
Cross Reference | NSN 5975-00-177-1930
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Part Number Cage Code Manufacturer
17C18035-60 80244
GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION FEDERAL SUPPLY SERVICE
5325989 19207
U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM
A325989D 19207
U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM
HHT791 81348
FEDERAL SPECIFICATIONS PROMULGATED BY GENERAL SERVICES
LOOM 5/16 ID 97030
SAYLOR FRANK D AND SON INC
Technical Data | NSN 5975-00-177-1930
________________________________________
Characteristic Specifications
STYLE DESIGNATOR B1 PLAIN CONDUIT
INSIDE DIAMETER 0.313 INCHES NOMINAL
OUTSIDE DIAMETER 0.375 INCHES NOMINAL
LENGTH ANY ACCEPTABLE
MATERIAL FIBER OVERALL
HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS/ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FLAME RESISTANT
NONDEFINITIVE SPEC/STD DATA 5/16 SIZE
DEPARTURE FROM CITED DESIGNATOR AS MODIFIED BY THE SIZE
III END ITEM IDENTIFICATION TRUCK,5 TON M939 SERIES
MANUFACTURERS CODE 81348
NON-DEFINITIVE GOVERNMENT SPEC/STD REFERENCE HHT791
Joined: Mar 13, 2006 Posts: 1079 Location: Richburg, SC
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:34 am Post subject:
1/4" is correct, but a PITA to pull that wire through with the end on it. I suppose if you ran a stiff wire through to fish it, it would be easier. I bought mine from eBay - and I believe it was Restoration Specialties. I still need to buy some for the fuel and vent lines. _________________ Matt
1953 M38a1
1964 USMC M38a1
'51 USMC M100 trailer, '54 M100 trailer, '90 M101a1 trailer
Http://wilfreeman.wordpress.com (M38a1 build blog)
http://m38a1usmc.wordpress.com (USMC M38a1 rebuild blog)
Weed-whip cord works great to fish wires through the conduits. Push the cord through the tubing, tape your wire(s) to the end then pull it back through. _________________ '52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car
Joined: Mar 22, 2017 Posts: 301 Location: Great Mills, MD
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:12 am Post subject:
Hi Guys,
I realize you're talking M38 here, but in case anyone is interested in the Loom length for the tank sender in the M38A1.......the ORD says the Loom is 74" and the wire is 99" long. For the M170 those numbers are 68" for the Loom and 96" for the wire. Interestingly the Loom for the A1 has a WO part number, but the Loom for the M170 has a manufacturer's code listed as "PO", for which no definition is given in the list in the front of the ORD. Maybe the Loom for the M170 is of a different construction.....but I don't know.
Joined: Oct 31, 2016 Posts: 127 Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:30 am Post subject:
In this instance we are dealing with one wire only. If the rubber grommets are pulled off and the connectors are removed, the wire will pull through easily. _________________ Trip
Houston TX
51 M38 MC 25423
52 M38
M38 recently acquired Some parts only, roller
67 CJ5
51 CJ3A
49 CJ2A
Joined: Mar 22, 2017 Posts: 301 Location: Great Mills, MD
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:50 am Post subject:
Unfortunately the old guy behind the counter at our local NAPA has retired/quit/died/moved to Tahiti/etc, and the young guns now have no clue how to find anything I need anymore. I would think I'd have a 50/50 chance they could find this loom if I brought a piece to show them........so unless I'm headed in that direction it's not worth the trip. Sure is a shame how much business they must be losing nationwide because the help has no hands-on experience with anything they sell.
Back to the subject on hand...........this loom material does seem to be available everywhere. Thanks for the info.
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