Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: M38/M38A1 Winch Part
Does anyone have, or know where I can get the correct winch cable connector, that connects the winch cable, (wire rope), to the chain and hook. Not sure of the correct terminology. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
Look over my photo albums, particularly the Winch sub-album.
Original factory assy.
Original Pear shaped link.
The original factory cable assembly had the cable end finished with a thimble and nicopress which already surrounded the end link of the chain which already had the Pear link and hook permanently attached. Repairs necessitate using repair links.
Repair link for field repairs.
Here is a field hook replacement using a repair link in place of the original Pear shaped link.
This is the nicopress system for terminating cable assemblies. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject:
Thanks Wes. I have looked at the pictures but I never really saw a name for the fitting, unless it was called the "thimble". The part I'm looking for is the round piece that ends the wire rope. In the pictures above it would be your last picture with the crimp tool. I believe the original piece that accomplished what the nicopress system did, you could unscrew the 2 halves, insert the cable then screw them back together. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 Posts: 49 Location: Victoria, B.C. Canada
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject:
I believe the name you are looking for is "Swedge". I work with swingstage cables and hooks are swedged on to the looped cable. You can also swedge a cable end at a termination. _________________ 1953 M38A1...CFR 53-32475
1953 M-100..CFR 53-70201
Swedged cables are not used on this winch. The nicopress and thimble are used on factory assembled cables (wire ropes). Adequate strength swedged fittings require a hydraulic swedging tool.
The left 8 cables have swedged ends. The 3 right cables have the crimped (Nicopress) formed loops.
There have been many ways to end a cable (wire rope) assembly over the years. In the 20's thru the 40's it was a common practice to weave (braid) the cable strands back into themselves forming the loop without any other devices.
When expensive tooling was not available folks would usually use this crude method for looping cable ends:
Back to Bill's last question the Nicopress system uses these parts:
The Crimp or Ferrule which we refer to as the Nicopress.
The thimble which strengthens the wire rope loop and reduces wear on the cable strands inside the loop. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
That is a terrible photo to discern exactly what is pictured from! That could be anything from a nicopress to a tapered cable wedge. If that is in fact a mechanical cable swaging device then it is illustrated as what would be provided for a field repair or replacement of chain/cable assembly.
That winch chain/cable assembly as provided from the factory on a factory installed winch would have had a nicopress type swage used to lock wire rope around the thimble. Since the nicopress swage requires the special crimping tool most field repair parts were sent utilizing wire rope swaging parts that could be managed with normally available hand tools.
At any rate if you want a correct factory look use the factory assembly system.
If you want the field repaired look then use the mechanical threaded swaging devices.
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:52 am Post subject:
Thanks for the reply Wes. The picture as I'm sure you know, came straight from the parts manual, so I was assuming that is the way the cable came with the winch. Bad as the picture is you can clearly see that, that is no nicopress fitiing. It appears more like the fitting you have pictured for "Safe Line Clamps". Thanks again for your input. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
As I have already said the illustration is of the parts that would be sent to you for a field repair. Also that illustration from ORD 9 SNL-G-740 is for the 3500 model 50 winch cable assembly. The 50R 5000 Lb winch was a field installed unit.
Having seen first hand what a slapping around broke cable can do to people in winching situations I would not fool with the mechanical assembly swages (Threaded wrench type). I would use a double set of nicopresses. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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