Joined: Dec 29, 2009 Posts: 5 Location: Danmark Europe
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: Jeep M38A1 placeing body on the frame
Is there a drawing available that shows the location measurements for the body on the frame.I'm looking for help with placing the body on the frame. Measurement methods to place the body in the longitudinal direction. I'm looking for the distance from the rear cross member to the tailgate , or other solid distances, so I can locate the rigth placing of the body on the frame. I have these problem because the car was very rusty when I started the rebuilding of the body. My Jeep is a M38A1 from 1960.
kindly Flemming C
Joined: Nov 13, 2007 Posts: 289 Location: Fort Smith Arkansas
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: This may be lame
My M170 has the rear frame crossmember flush with the aft end of the body. That would provide a "0" starting point for measurements. If no one has a drawing I would meaure the frame and using the body "0" (above) make the braces match the general location then with the body squared on the frame mark the final body mounting holes. I would ensure the grill and fenders will line up during this dry fit verifying the squareness to frame.
I believe the M38a1 is flush also _________________ 1955 M170
1980 JD 450C
1948 Ford 8N
2008 Rubicon Unlimited MyGig
All the Willys universal jeeps start the body flush with the rear crossmember. The two front drop down brackets will get you centered left to right up front. The test layup should include all the mount spacers and rubbers as well. Then temp bolt up the front sheet metal for a test alignment. Shim the body mounts as needed to get the front sheet metal lined up. Fender must align with their mounts and when fastened to the grill they must form a close straight line with the side edges of the hood. Have you first checked the frame dimensional alignment? The measurements are in your TM 9-8015-2. The body R&R instructions are there as well.
Although you may start flush you may also end up slightly forward like this one after checking all alignments all the way to the grill.
This layout gives you parts locations.
These left and right #1 mounts will get you centered left to right for a good starting point.
Some considerations that can be adversely affected by tub mis-alignment that we often do not think of are the starter kick pedal to the starter arm, the steering column centered in it's hole, the brake/clutch pedals and the transfer case shift stalks. So ideally you will have the steering column, pedals, engine and transfer installed already.
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45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Dec 29, 2009 Posts: 5 Location: Danmark Europe
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:01 am Post subject: thanks for the answers
Tanks for the answers , it was wery help fuld, On the new parts I have got , the Mount 1, on the pictures from Wes are missing and the holes in the bracket are not drilled. maybe someone can tell me the distance from the vertical portion of the console to the center of the bracket to be bolted to the frame by mounting # 1 If anyone can help me get / find these 2 brackets which I lack, I would be very grateful. I can not find them in Denmark. I also wonder, where I can the TM 9-8015-2, I have the original supplymanual from the army.( Danish / Amerikan ) I havent seen it in Denmark. My biggest problem is that the 2 vertical mounting bracket at # 1 is missing, including holes in the triangular console by fire wall, where the 2 missing bracket should be attached to the body.
Kindly Flemming C.
All the TM's are on the "Downloads" page of this web site. Just click on the one you want and dowmload it. Please note the 8015-2 has a few changes loaded seperately.
Some later units did not have the vertical brackets. In this case you will have to rely on the position of the toeboard (which you are calling "vertical portion of the console" gusset (which you refer to as "holes in the bracket ".
relative to the frame rails.
Late model replacement floor. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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