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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Late model M170 1962 battery box coatings Reply with quote

Hi all...
I have been taking my battery box apart to put it back to GI and after I removed the home made tray and two huge batteries and cleaned the box I found that it is coated in something that is black and rubberized.
There a couple places that need to be touched up where it has peeled anyone no what that stuff is and where to get it? Anyone have the rubber tubes and the tee for the drain or know who might? Anyone know a good replacement battery for the 2HN thats easy to buy on the street from a civilian battery company like Deka or interstate?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave all of your questions have come up here dozens of times and a quick search of the older posts will yield most of them.

1-There are many acid resistance black battery box paints and there is no way short of chemical analysis to ID what the old stuff in your box is. The best thing to do is go to your local auto paint supply house and ask what they have for battery resistant tray and box paint.

2-The rubbers and the "T" have come up several times.
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=sinrisnekaf&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

3-The nearest civilian battery dimensionally and amp rating wise is the group




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BCI GROUP NUMBERS, AND DIMENSIONAL SPECIFICATIONS footnote

BCI
Group

Number

Maximum Overall Dimensions footnote
Millimeters Inches
L W H L W H
PASSENGER CAR AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL_BATTERIES 12-VOLT (6 CELLS)
21 208 173 222 8 3/16 6 13/16 8 3/4
22F 241 175 211 9 1/2 6 7/8 8 5/16
22HF 241 175 229 9 1/2 6 7/8 9
22NF 240 140 227 9 7/16 5 1/2 8 15/16
22R 229 175 211 9 6 7/8 8 5/16
24 260 173 225 10 1/4 6 13/16 8 7/8
24F 273 173 229 10 3/4 6 13/16 9
24H 260 173 238 10 1/4 6 13/16 9 3/8
24R 260 173 229 10 1/4 6 13/16 9
24T 260 173 248 10 1/4 6 13/16 9 3/4
25 230 175 225 9 1/16 6 7/8 8 7/8
26 208 173 197 8 3/16 6 13/16 7 3/4
26R 208 173 197 8 3/16 6 13/16 7 3/4
27 306 173 225 12 1/16 6 13/16 8 7/8
27F 318 173 227 12 1/2 6 13/16 8 15/16
27H 298 173 235 11 3/4 6 13/16 9 1/4
29NF 330 140 227 13 5 1/2 8 15/16
33 338 173 238 13 5/16 6 13/16 9 3/8
34 260 173 200 10 1/4 6 13/16 7 7/8
34R 260 173 200 10 1/4 6 13/16 7 7/8
35 230 175 225 9 1/16 6 7/8 8 7/8
36R 263 183 206 10 3/8 7 1/4 8 1/8
40R 277 175 175 10 15/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
41 293 175 175 11 3/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
42 243 173 173 9 5/16 6 13/16 6 13/16
43 334 175 205 13 1/8 6 7/8 8 1/16
45 240 140 227 9 7/16 5 1/2 8 15/16
46 273 173 229 10 3/4 6 13/16 9
47 246 175 190 9 11/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
48 306 175 192 12 1/16 6 7/8 7 9/16
49 381 175 192 15 6 7/8 7 3/16
50 343 127 254 13 1/2 5 10
51 238 129 223 9 3/8 5 1/16 8 13/16
51R 238 129 223 9 3/8 5 1/16 8 13/16
52 186 147 210 7 5/16 5 13/16 8 1/4
53 330 119 210 13 4 11/16 8 1/4
54 186 154 212 7 5/16 6 1/16 8 3/8
55 218 154 212 8 5/8 6 1/16 8 3/8
56 254 154 212 10 6 1/16 8 3/8
57 205 183 177 8 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
58 255 183 177 10 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
58R 255 183 177 10 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
59 255 193 196 10 1/16 7 5/8 7 3/4
60 332 160 225 13 1/16 6 5/16 8 7/8
61 192 162 225 7 9/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
62 225 162 225 8 7/8 6 3/8 8 7/8
63 258 162 225 10 3/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
64 296 162 225 11 11/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
65 306 190 192 12 1/16 7 1/2 7 9/16
70 208 179 196 8 3/16 7 1/16 7 11/16
71 208 179 216 8 3/16 7 1/16 8 1/2
72 230 179 210 9 1/16 7 1/16 8 1/4
73 230 179 216 9 1/16 7 1/16 8 1/2
74 260 184 222 10 1/4 7 1/4 8 3/4
75 230 179 196 9 1/16 7 1/16 7 11/16
76 334 179 216 13 1/8 7 1/16 8 1/2
78 260 179 196 10 1/4 7 1/16 7 11/16
85 230 173 203 9 1/16 6 13/16 8
86 230 173 203 9 1/16 6 13/16 8
90 246 175 175 9 11/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
91 280 175 175 11 6 7/8 6 7/8
92 317 175 175 12 1/2 6 7/8 6 7/8
93 354 175 175 15 6 7/8 6 7/8
95R 394 175 190 15 9/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
96R 242 173 175 9 9/16 6 13/16 6 7/8
97R 252 175 190 9 15/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
98R 283 175 190 11 3/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
PASSENGER CAR AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL BATTERIES 6-VOLT(3 CELLS)
1 232 181 238 9 1/8 7 1/8 9 3/8
2 264 181 238 10 3/8 7 1/8 9 3/8
2E 492 105 232 19 7/16 4 1/8 9 1/8
2N 254 141 227 10 5 9/16 8 15/16
17HF 187 175 229 7 3/8 6 7/8 9
HEAVY-DUTY COMMERCIAL BATTERIES 12-VOLT (6 CELLS)
4D 527 222 250 20 3/4 8 3/4 9 7/8
6D 527 254 260 20 3/4 10 10 1/4
8D 527 283 250 20 3/4 11 1/8 9 7/8
28 261 173 240 10 5/16 6 13/16 9 7/16
29H 334 171 232 13 1/8 6 3/4 9 1/8 10
30H 343 173 235 13 1/2 6 13/16 9 1/4 10
31 330 173 240 13 6 13/18 9 7/16
ELECTRIC VEHICLE BATTERIES 6-VOLT (3CELLS)
GC2 264 183 270 10 3/8 7 3/16 10 5/8
GC2H 264 183 295 10 3/8 7 3/16 11 5/8

The actual chart is here: http://www.rtpnet.org/teaa/bcigroup.html
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,

Do you recall this post you made on the G503? http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=222739

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by softskin_driver » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:48 am

Thanks I will go with POR15 stuff it's easy to get still here in Kalifornia at the local Napa.

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1942 USMC Henry Spen Trailer
1942 USN Dodge WC-56
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1967 USMC M-416
1944 USA Federal 2G
1942 USA Dodge WC-55
1968 USA M-101A1

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Wes yes I do remember that post and I did use POR 15 in another Jeep and it is poorly suited to battery or even engine components.
I used it all over my GPW as well and it is a good sealer as primer goes but it is not sulfuric or heat proof. The stuff in my 62 M170's battery box is more like smooth Line X bed liner. I called around to a few friends with Mutts today and they are still getting dry charged 2HN's and I found a couple for $50 each in boxes dated 2010 an hour away from home in Salinas at the Exide dealership so that problem is solved. I have them charging now. The dealer gave me two bottles of electrolyte and told me how to charge them.
John Bizal has all the parts for the battery trays and is looking into making all the hoses and the tee. So most of that is solved.
This should get my M170 rolling again.
I will read as you say and try not to post questions. Like everyone else I am trying to get ready for the spring swap meets and I get in a hurry and hate spending hours reading forums when I could be working on my junk trying to keep it rolling. sorry for the repetitive questions.
I would not have got the wiring harness if I did not ask! And that gets me a long way towards rolling and doing it a lot safer. Thanks Ryan.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My comments are not intended to preclude anyone asking questions. I simply am pointing out the info is there for the looking already and I hope everyone places the same value on other people's time that they place on their own time.

Did you contact John recently. Last summer he was opposed to tooling up for those drain hose and metal tube parts as too expensive to be profitable.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Wes...
I understand you were only pointing out that my questions were repetitive.
And I apologize to everyone here for that. Sorry.
I read a bunch last night and will continue as much as possible this next week
Until I get caught up.
I spoke to John two weeks back and he said he would look into it.
I usually ask John first I like his work it is top notch in my book.
John reproduced the ammo cans for my WC-55 and they are beautiful.
That said if John says he has to much on his plate or it is cost prohibitive then there are others that can be approached to make them. My hope is that because my M170 is 97% original and completely rust free is to keep it stock only repairing what is missing or broke or needs cleaning and paint.
I spoke with a friend after your idea of having my coating anylized and I am going to take him a sample to take to work. Good idea. My guess after lifting a big piece off and looking at it is that it is rubberized under coating.its flexible.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you google "battery acid proof paint or coatings" several choices specific to that purpose come up. Eastwood has always been very helpful with classic resto needs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The undercoating on USMC vehicles is exactly that... old fashioned undercoating.

Ziebart and other generic brands will work. I have original undercoating on all the USMC vehicles I own and it appears both brushed and sprayed. Nothing special about it.

To be period correct though do not use Por-15 products or urethane based truck bed liner coatings. Chemically, the original coating would probably be rubber based.

Though now over priced 2hn's are readily available from Deka.

http://www.ziebart.com/
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