Anti-squeak

timjuhl · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: Anti-squeak

What was the original material used for the anti-squeak strip between the fenders and the cowling? Is there a more modern material that you would recommend?

Tim
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Tim Juhl
1952 M38A1
1946 Aeronca L16A Army Liaison Aircraft

OKCM38CDN · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:52 am Post subject:

I used cotton military belt material... same stuff they use to hold their pants up with...

You can buy it a mass of colors (I needed Blue) and comes in lengths up to 54"...

I used a hole punch from Harbor frieght to punch the holes in it and lined up well...

If you are a retired GI or know one you can get it from the base clothing sales store, as a belt...

Hope this helps...
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Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK

daleric · Member Joined: Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Auburn, AL

I'm interested in this as well. Wouldn't the plain belt material have a tendency to absorb and hold water? I know when I took my fenders off a few weeks ago the material was about the same with as belt material and definitely had fibers in it but was also sticky and black like it had some sort of caulking or water proofing property to it as well.

Richard

OKCM38CDN · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:04 am Post subject:

It will hold some water, but here in Oklahoma it dries super fast and is not a worry...

I suppose you could soak it in oil or some such treatment...

It is not exposed to the underside of the fender where most of the water is, it soaks it up when it rains and comes off the cowl...

Just my thoughts...
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Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK

evanso1975 · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:26 am Post subject:

Not sure if this helps, but the anti-squeak on my WW2 CMP Chevy (another project I still need to get round to Rolling Eyes

) was comprised of a "rubberised" cloth material.

Owen.
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Owen

1951 US Air Force M38
1944 F-1 1/2-ton Airdrome Trailer
1940 C15 Chevrolet CMP 11-cab
1939 DKW KS200 Motorcycle
MVT # 19406

timjuhl · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: Anti-squeek

I've heard complaints that straight cotton fabric tends to hold water and under certain circumstances could be a starting point for rust. I was considering a strip of seatbelt webbing. It's nylon, slippery and would not soak up water. Plus I have about 100 feet of it in brown Smile

Another possibility is one of the baffle materials used with aircraft. It is basically a coarsely woven, large stranded cotton that is impregnated with neoprene rubber. It would resist water for the most part. That said, I'm not sure it would work any better than seatbelt material. I want to stay with a material no more than 1/16th of an inch, like the original.

Willys never intended for these Jeeps to be around 60 years after they were built so I don't think they worried too much about the long term use issues with anti-squeek.

Tim
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Tim Juhl
1952 M38A1
1946 Aeronca L16A Army Liaison Aircraft

Bretto · Member Joined: Nov 24, 2010 Posts: 1390 Location: Orem, UT

Tim
I made a 'kit' out of some 060 EDPM that is has a nylon weave. I got it from a nice gent Tim aka athawk11. I may still have some if you interested. Its a tad less that 1/16" which makes it nice and its real flexible but just the right firmness. Measures .057" or 1.45 mm.
It was thin enough that I even put some at the grill/fender seam.
Made in the USA even!
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb356/1brale/M38%20restore/IMG_0687-86.jpg
Brett
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'51 M38
PHOTO DIARY OF MY BUILD

daleric · Member Joined: Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Auburn, AL

circleburner12 · Member Joined: May 16, 2011 Posts: 385 Location: arkansas

i know people that has used velcro, the soft side.
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1953 m38a1 1953 m100

jimm · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject:

McMaster-Carr has .075" thick nylon fabric strips in either 3/4" or 1" wide, 37.5' long, P/Ns 87425K75 or 87425K76.
It's also available in .019" thick, but that seems too thin.
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Jim McKim
1952 M38 son-father project
Slowly turning rusty parts into OD parts

evanso1975 · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:24 am Post subject:

Stumbled across this post on the "G":
http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=48847

Looks like the original material was an asphalt-impregnated webbing.

Also, this got me thinking. Did the M38 have the anti-squeak between the fender and grille (as shown on RonF's kit)? I could only find it listed twice in the parts manual:

Lower (fender to side step?)
Upper (fender to cowl?)

Any thoughts?

Owen.
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Owen

1951 US Air Force M38
1944 F-1 1/2-ton Airdrome Trailer
1940 C15 Chevrolet CMP 11-cab
1939 DKW KS200 Motorcycle
MVT # 19406

chuck · Member Joined: Jan 09, 2010 Posts: 143 Location: Nashua NH

Anyone tried using belt webbing soaked in canvak?


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