Hello Bill,
I saw the ad as well. He will not post any photos which I feel is very odd. At any rate he describes the same lightly splattered under dash area you have already posted many photos of above. Again I find it as merely a case of very light original paint contact with the upper underside area of the dash by Willys combined with a more agressive spraying later of USAF blue which made a more pronounced evidence of it''s presence in the so called virgin areas. The majority of apparently lightly restored M38's I have seen all have very poor factory paint coverage of the upper underdash areas. This easily leads someone to believe any later color sprayed heavier there to indicate an original coating. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject:
So with this information we can safely say that there were some M38's with a factory blue finish. That would explain why I had blue under the heater access cover while the heater cover itself was originally OD. Also the windshield pivot brackets were painted OD then over sprayed Strata Blue while the body metal under the pivots wes painted only Strata Blue.
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:07 pm Post subject:
Is this information posted some place here on this site? _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281
Pretty amazing to find those specifications... OK I have to reevaluate my M38. It has a blue battery box lid and other parts.
I suspect it might be built from parts from several jeeps. It appears to be a flight line vehicle at some point due to most everything being painted yellow.
The Kelly Top (military installed) has O.D. too so nothing is pure on my vehicle.
Almost all the unrestored M38 jeeps I have found locally have been USMC. It is a consistent trend.
If you look closely the BOM date addressing the use of the Blue and Marine green is 6 - 51. It would help if Keith gives us the approximate delay between the introduction of the Bom and the implementing of it on the assembly line during this period.
And yes thank you Keith for introducing the real black & white evidence. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: May 10, 2010 Posts: 615 Location: North Yorkshire, UK
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:48 am Post subject:
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If you look closely the BOM date addressing the use of the Blue and Marine green is 6 - 51. It would help if Keith gives us the approximate delay between the introduction of the Bom and the implementing of it on the assembly line during this period.
Be nice if we could have that info. Mine is 7/51; always thought it got the Strata Blue overspray by the military. Perhaps it didn't?
Are there any other pages to this BOM available? I'm not seeing any info on the following:
Seats (unless you include those in "Body Assy")
Axles
Springs
Frame
Great info; thanks for sharing...... _________________ Owen
1951 US Air Force M38
1944 F-1 1/2-ton Airdrome Trailer
1940 C15 Chevrolet CMP 11-cab
1939 DKW KS200 Motorcycle
MVT # 19406
These two M38 web sites have been around for over 11 years now. We have talked this Strata blue to death during that period with at least 3 M38's with no OD. Only strata blue. Lacking any factory evidence I have always felt they could have been a very well done strip job by a USAF unit. I have many period photos of OD2430 M38's being operated by the USAF from 1950 thru 1954 or so and several of Strata Blue USAF jeeps with obvious OD2430 still showing in the wheel wells and under the hood. Now that Keith has established the first layer of factory evidence we can all agree that Some were blue. Now to narrow that focus down to when the first Willys blue painted unit rolled out the door. I am suspecting July or August 1951.
If you base the amount of samples of survivor M38's we have then one can probably assume that of the over 60,000 M38's built probably less than 10,000 to 15,000 went to the Air Force. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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