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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:38 pm    Post subject: Welting rivet installation m38a1/ m170 Reply with quote

Hi ,
Any recommendations for a welting rivet installation tool ?
Would like a tight rivet installation without scratching grill paint and or rivet head .
Just thought Iíd ask some of the folks that have replaced there grill welting for there experience/ opinion .
Thanks , Brian
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rivets have never been friendly to paint jobs. In the case of Split rivets or bifurcated rivets as they are sometimes called you have very little choice. They by design are to be installed mechanically by pressure, bending and tapping. The best way to prevent or limit marring is to cover contact tooling with hard rubber. You can buy fiber reinforced rubber sheet in many thicknesses. Find a steel bar that can be handled easily with your hand inside the grill area. Glue a layer of hard reinforced rubber sheet say about 1/16 to 1/8" thick to the sides of the bar you intend to allow to contact the rivet and nearby metal. Then use it to support the head of your rivet while you are addressing the spreading and flattening of the split tails.


Split tail or Bifurcated rivets


Padded block/bar


Split rivet die tool

Here's the web site that supplied the photos: https://ohiotravelbag.com/blog/how-to-set-split-tubular-rivets/
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the m38a1 split rivets black or brass in color ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can purchase a tool from Ron Fitzpatrick for approximately $30 (I did) or even fab up one your self with minimal effort and the sacrifice of one of your tools.

With the purchased tool and a small awl it went slick for my grill welting installation and minimal paint damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoBjFlpmPc
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks rick
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you check your ORD 9 on page 362, 8th item from the top of the page:
ORD # 113454, rivet, split, oval-he, S, ???-enmld, 9/64 x 7/16, 5/16 he dia
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a plier type tool made for setting those. It rolls the two tangs beautifully. Im trying to find a part number for them. Somewhere is my catalog of all manner of vintage upholstery things. in it those pliers are available, I'll keep looking.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks , let me know if you find the tool . I donít mind purchasing and sharing with others
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Wes , black enamel ..
kinda forget if bottom of rivet are rolled or flat .. digging around for my old ones to see , but havenít found them yet .
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this web site - https://dcmclassics.com/tools-and-accessories/567-tl-1011-split-rivet-cripping-tool.html

If you want to make your own - http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/ts216.htm

Hope this helps...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is one of them! Thanks for posting, saved me some digging!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one:

https://walcks4wd.com/rivit-crimp-tool.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ron , now two to choose from . This one and the DCM one . I emailed DCM to see if thereís is made in USA, This one is nice that they are making it themselves .
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Walcks tool appears to be the same as the one I purchased from RFJP. It did work well.
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