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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Testing 24 volt gauges Reply with quote

Does anyone know the correct way to test the guages from an M38a1. I would like to see if its possible to reuse the orginals.

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Paul
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,
You can be assured many of us know how. Had you done a search on this forum you would have found your question gets asked about once a month.

The answer is in the manuals. Idea

Yes you just need to access the correct manuals. In this case the Army has a TB9-2300-228-20 Tactical Transport and Combat Vehicles: Troubleshooting for Instrument Cluster Gages, Switches, Circuit Breakers, Sending Units and Related Wiring dated 8 July 1960. And Bob Westerman has it and his refinements on his web site where you can download them.

http://www.cj3a.info/sibling/milgauge/milgage.htm

It is very important that before you start troubleshooting you take care of the basics.
1-Do you have the correct gages and senders and do they match each other? (IE 0-60 PSI oil gage must be used with the 0-60 PSI sender)
2-Are all electrical connections clean and tight? (This includes the battery terminals) (This was a trick question in a way since you can't answer it by trying to wiggle the connection or by looking at it while it is connected. You must disconnect it to look for corrosion on the joints contact surfaces.)
3-Is the main engine to frame ground strap installed, corrosion free and tight. (It's attached to the front engine mounting plate right below the generator.
4-Is the instrument cluster panel grounded securely to the dash?
5-Is the gas tank grounded securely to the tub?

If you are not familiar with the military waterproof harness components be sure to read up on them. Both the Douglas (metal) connectors and the Packard (rubber) connectors can fail in several ways not immediately clear to a cursory inspection.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: gauges Reply with quote

Wes,

I have every manual for an M38A1 that Midwest Military sells I must have missed that one. But the jeep is now in pieces, I have only the plate with the gauges. I was hoping you could tell me how i could power them up and bench test them to see if they even function.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take time to thoroughly review Bob's site and TM 9-8014 and you will see how to test them and power them.

The paperback manuals that just about all the vendors sell are produced by Portrayal Press. You can eliminate the middle man by going directly to their web site. http://www.portrayal.com/

Here is an INCOMPLETEM38A1 Manual list:

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Truck 1/4 Ton 4x4 (M38A1/M38A1C/M38A1D/M170 Jeep) (G758) (MD/MDA) Manual & TB List

M38A1 / M170/M38A1C/M38A1D Technical Manuals ™

TM 9-804A (USAF TO 19-75AA-9Cool 21 JUL 52
Operation & Maintenance ¼ ton 4x4, Utility Truck, M38A1

TM 9-804A 20 April 53
Change 1

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 6 APR 55
Operation & Maintenance ¼ ton 4x4, Utility Truck, M38A1, M170.
PP 390 pages.... $39/£27.00 CH-8014 Important supplement to above. 44 pages.... $10/£7.00

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 5 JUN 56
Change 1.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 23 DEC 57
Change 2.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 19 JUN 58
Change 3.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 11 DEC 59
Change 4.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 7 MAR 60
Change 5.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 12 JUN 63
Change 6.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 7 SEP 73
Change 7.

TM9-8014 (USAF TO 36A-1-401) 7 SEP 73
Change 8.


TM9-8015-1 (USAF TO 19-75B-21) 8 MAR 54
Ordnance Maintenance Willys Model MD Engine and clutch.
PP185 pages. ... $27/£19.00

TM9-8015-1 (USAF TO 19-75B-21) 11 APR 55
Change 1.

TM9-8015-2 (USAF TO 19-75X-XX) 2 AUG 54
Ordnance Maintenance Power train, body and frame ¼ ton 4x4, Utility Truck, M38A1.
PP 311 pages. ... $39/£27.00 CH-8015-2 Power train, body and frame. Important supplement to above. 34 pages. ... $7/£4.50

TM9-8015-2 (USAF TO 19-75X-XX) 12 NOV 54
Change 1.

TM9-8015-2 (USAF TO 19-75X-XX) 15 APR 55
Change 2

TM9-8015-2 (USAF TO 19-75X-XX) 21 SEP 66
Change 3.

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/1 2 JUN 64
Equip. Servicablity Criteria for Truck, Utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/1 ?? ??? ??
Change 1

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/2 3JUN 64
Equip. Servicablity Criteria for Truck, Utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1C, M38A1D

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/2 ?? ??? ??
Change 1

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/3 30 DEC 65
Equip. Servicablity Criteria for Truck, Ambulance, Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, M170.

TM 9-2320-208-ESC/3 ?? ??? ??
Change 1

TM 9-2320-208-ESC 13 MAY 69
Equip. Servicablity Criteria for Truck, Utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1, M38A1C, M38A1D; Truck, Ambulance, Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, M170.


EL-PS38 Electric circuit numbers on M-series vehicles in numeric order. 6 pages. ... $9/£7.00

TM 9-8627 Electrical equipment, Delco-Remy. 1953. Huge 668 pages. Generators, regulators, distributors, starters, etc. ... $49/£34.00

TM 9-1825B 3 NOV 52
Ordnance Maintenance: Electrical Equipment (Auto-Lite) Supercedes 9-1825B dated JAN 44
395 pages. ... $40/£28.00

TM 9-1826A 10 DEC 52 Ordnance Maintenance: Carburetors (Carter) Supercedes 9-1826A dated
FEB 44 . 160 pages. ... $24/£16.00

TM 9-1827C 2 JAN 53 Ordnance Maintenance: Hydraulic Brakes (Wagner Lockheed)
Supercedes 9-1827C dated JAN 44

TM9-1828A 11 FEB 44 Fuel pumps - repair of most WW2

TM 9-1828A 29 DEC 52 Ordnance Maintenance: Fuel Pumps Supercedes 9-1828A dated MAR 45.

TM 9-1828A Change 1 ? _______

TM 9-1828A Change 2 ? _______

TM 9-1829A SPEEDOMETERS, TACHOMETERS AND RECORDERS. Repairs for virtually all

TM 9-2853 7 JUL 45 Preparation of Ordnance Material for deep water fording.

TM 9-2853 Change 7 JUN 48

TM 9-2858 8 MAY 45 Cooling Systems: Vehicles and Powered Ground Equipment

TM 9-2858 Change 1 ? ________

TM 9-2858 Change 2 ? ________

TM 9-224 Machine gun mounts for trucks. 1943. 48 pages. ... $19/£14.50

CH-224 Change 1 to above. 7 photos, 16 pages. ... $6/£4.00

TM 10-500-10 11 AUG 65 Airdrop of Supplies and Equipment: Rigging 1/4-ton Utility trucks.

TM 10-500-10 Change 1? _________

TM 10-500-10 29 JAN 71 Airdrop of Supplies and Equipment: Rigging 1/4-ton Utility trucks
Supercedes 10-500-10 dated AUG 65.

TM 5-5213 17 FEB 53 Engine, Gasoline driven, L-head and F-head, Models MC38-MC38A1 basic
engine: Conversion for stationary power, Willys Overland Motors.



M38A1 / M170 Technical Bulletins TB

TB228-20 ?? ??? ??
Electrical problems - troubleshooting - (M-series). 5 pages. ... $4/£3.00

TB ORD 370 9 AUG 54
1/4-ton, 4x4, trucks, Ford Model GPW, Willys Model MB, M38, and M38A1: 3/4-ton Dodge trucks models WC51, WC52, WC53, WC54, WC56, WC57, WC58, WC59, WC61, WC64, M37, M42, M43, M56 and M201: 1 1/2-ton 6x6 trucks, Dodge Models WC62 and WC63: Use of front axle non driving flanges for temporarily converting vehicles from four-wheel drive to two-wheel drives.

TB ORD 434 14 Mar 52
Combat & Transport vehicles with 24-volt electrical systems: Instructions for checking 24-volt instruments that do not zero.

TB ORD 465 2 APR 54
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility trucks M38 and M38A1: Installation of pedestal truck mount M31A1 and M31C.

TB ORD 467 11 AUG 52
1/4-ton and 3/4-ton, 4x4 trucks and 2 1/2 and 5 ton, 6x6 trucks "M" models: Use of proper fuel tank filler caps.

TB ORD 470 9 SEP 52
1/4-ton and 3/4-ton, 4x4 trucks and 2 1/2 and 5 ton, 6x6 trucks "M" models: Instructions for proper cleaning of crankcase valve assembly.

TB ORD 479 ?? ??? ??
Ordnance motor vehicles: Standardization of electric type instruments.

TB ORD 485 19 JAN 53
1/4-ton and 3/4-ton, 4x4 trucks and 2 1/2 and 5 ton, 6x6 trucks "M" models: Servicing data plate corrections.


TB ORD 487 3 FEB 53
Identification and maintenance of fuel filter.

TB ORD 499 4 MAR 53
1/4-ton and 3/4-ton, 4x4 trucks and 2 1/2 and 5 ton, 6x6 trucks "M" models: Identification and replacement of hydraulic stoplight switches.

TB ORD 524 8 JUN 53
Installed metal fuel tanks: Cleaning and preserving

TB ORD 547 18 DEC 53
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility trucks M38 and M38A1: Prevention of crankshaft pulley failures.

TB ORD 554 MAR 54
1/4-ton, 4x4, truck M38 series; 3/4-ton, 4x4, truck M37 series; 2 1/2-ton 6x6, truck M34 series; and 5-ton, 6x6, truck M40 series: Removal of flywheel housing drain plug.

TB ORD 560 13 MAY 54
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility trucks M38 and m38A1: Revision of tire pressures on servicing data plates.

TB ORD 570 9 AUG 54
1/4-ton, 4x4, trucks, Ford Model GPW, Willys Model MB, M38, and M38A1: Use of front axle non-driving flanges for temporarily converting vehicles from 4 WD to 2 WD.
.
TB ORD 589 7 JAN 55
1/4-ton. 4x4, truck M38, M38A1, M170 ……………: Installation of distributor point set.

TB ORD 610 13 JUN 55
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility truck M38, M38A1C, 1/4-ton, frontline ambulance truck M170: Operating of fording valve.

TB ORD 625 5 Jan 56
All tactical wheeled vehicles: Cleaning of power train case ventilating valves

TB ORD 621 2 DEC 55
Tandem hitch 2540-735-8343 (8-H-1826): Installation on 1/4-ton, 4x4 trucks MB, GPW, M38 and M38A1.

TB ORD 626 1 OCT 57
Tactical transport vehicles: Excessive fuel tank pressure.

TB 746-93-1 ?? ??? ??
Markings of late 1950s, 1960s 62 pages. ... $22/£17.00

TB ORD 1007 2 DEC 57
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility trucks, M38, M38A1, and M38A1C, and 1/4-ton, 4x4, frontline ambulance truck M170: Instructions for reinforcing clutch release fork at fulcrum seat or pivot point.

TB ORD 2300-20/4 18 AUG 58
1/4-ton, 4x4 trucks M38, M38A1, (etc): Stowage locations for pioneer tools and brackets

TB 9-1825S-1 18 JUN 53
Electrical connector repair kit41-K-103-100: Proper use of tools.

TB 9-1859-8 9 MAR 53
1/4-ton, 4x4, Command Reconnaissance Truck: Time schedule guide.

TB 9-1859-20 11 DEC 53
¼ ton 4x4, Utility, Trucks, M38A1 and M38A1C; ¼ ton 4x4, Front Line Ambulance Truck M170. Time Schedule Guide

TB 9-1859-20 ?? ??? ??
Change 1.

TB 9-2300-206-15 28 NOV 58
1/4-ton, 4x4 trucks, M38, M38A1, M38A1C, M170 equipped with high capacity AC-DC 100 ampere 28v generating systems: Test and rebuild of generating system.

TB 9-2300-206-15 ?? ??? ??
Change 1

TB 9-2300-209-20 ?? ??? ??
Rifle position positioning (M series, M37 thru 10 ton) 10 pages. ... $9/£7.00

TB 9-2300-210-20 21 JAN 59
Truck, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M38, M38A1, M38A1C, M170: Interchangeability of air and oil pressure sending units and gauges and installation instructions.

TB 9-2300-225-20 10 DEC 59
Truck, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M38, M38A1, M38A1C, M170: Generator nut torque specifications.

TB 9-2300-228-20 Tactical Transport and Combat Vehicles: Troubleshooting for Instrument Cluster Gages, Switches, Circuit Breakers, Sending Units and Related Wiring dated 8 July 1960

TB 9-2300-233-20 31 JAN 61
Truck, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M38, M38A1, M38A1C, M170: Increasing length of generator belt tension brace.

TB 9-2855-43 21 NOV 56
Truck, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M38A1, M170: Instructions for installation of personnel hot water heating kit.
PP Hot water personnel heater, for M38A1 and M170. 17 pages. ... $9/£7.00



M38A1 / M170 MWO’s

MWO ORD G1-W35 16 FEB 63
¼, ¾ 4x4 and 2 ½ and 5 ton 6x6 M models; provision for positive polarizing device for trailer receptacles.

MWO ORD G1-W43 12 JAN 54
¼ ton 4x4 utility truck M38 & M38A1, Removal of axle lube fitting.

MWO ORD G1-W44 12 JAN 54
¼ ton 4x4 utility truck M38 & M38A1, Welding rear shock absorber brackets

MWO ORD G1-W50 9 AUG 54
¼ ton 4x4 utility truck M38 & M38A1, Anchorage of front pass seat.

MWO ORD G1-W54 15 SEP 54
¼ ton 4x4 utility truck M38 & M38A1, Installation of new eng timing indicator

MWO ORD G1-W63 19 SEP 57
1/4-ton, 4x4, trucks M38, M38A1, M38A1C, and M170: 3/4-ton ……….: Replacement of air and oil pressure gauges, sending units, and installation of pipe coupling

MWO ORD G1-W85 22 MAR 57
1/4-ton, 4x4, trucks M170, M38, and M38A1: Installation of castellated nut and cotter pin on steering bellcrank pivot shaft.

MWO ORD G1-W88 3 OCT 56
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility truck M38, M38A1, M38A1C and front line ambulance truck M170: Modification of clutch release pedal rod.

MWO ORD G1-W104 23 APR 57
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility truck M38, M38A1, M38A1C, M170; Alteration of wiring harness used with switch 7729684 to make them applicable to switch 7368702.

MWO G758-W3 7 DEC 55
1/4-ton, 4x4, utility truck M38, M38A1; Installation of 105mm rifle M27A1 with 105mm rifle mount M75A1 or 106mm rifle M40 (MT170E1) with 106mm rifle mount M79.

MWO G758-W3 ? ??? ??
Change 1.


M38A1 / M170 Supply Manuals


SM ORD 7 SNL G-758 20 JUN 52
Group G organizational maintenance allowances for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 7 SNL G-758 3 MAY 54
Group G organizational maintenance allowances for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 7 SNL G-758 30 SEP 54
Change 1.

SM ORD 7 SNL G-758 19 NOV 54
Change 2.

SM ORD 7 SNL G-758 5 APR 56
Group G organizational maintenance allowances for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 8 SNL G-758 12 AUG 52
Group G Field and Depot Maintenance allowances for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 8 SNL G-758 22 APR 54
Group G Field and Depot Maintenance allowances for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 8 SNL G-758 26 MAR 56
Group G Field and Depot Maintenance allowances for; Truck, Ambulance, Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1, Truck, Utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1C.

SM ORD 9 SNL G-758 3 JUN 54
Group G List of All Service Parts for Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 9 SNL G-758 6 MAY 55
Change 1.

SM ORD 9 SNL G-758 24 SEP 56
Group G List of All Service Parts for Truck, Ambulance, Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1.

SM ORD 6 SNL J-16, SEC 38 OCT 52
Tool Sets, Field and Depot Maintenance for: Truck, ¼ ton 4x4, (Ford model GPW and Willys Model MB) (SNL G-503); Truck, ¼ ton 4x4x, (Willys Moedle M38) (SNL G-740); Truck, ¼ ton 4x4, Utility, M38A1 (SNL G-758).

SM ORD 8 SNL G-249, VOL 40 13 JAN 55
Winterization Equipment for truck, Ambulance, Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4x, M718, (SNL G-758); Truck, utility, ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1 (SNL G-758).

TM9-2320-208-20P 13 FEB 59
Organizational Repair Parts and Special Tools for Truck, Utility,: ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1 and M38A1C and Truck, Ambulance: Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, M170

TM9-2320-208-20P 12 JUN 59
Change 1.

TM9-2320-208-20P 25 APR 60
Change 2.

TM9-2320-208-20P 24 Jan 66
Organizational Repair Parts and Special Tools for Truck, Utility,: ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1 and M38A1C and Truck, Ambulance: Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, M170.

TM9-2320-208-20P 18 MAY 70
Change 1.

TM9-2320-208-34P 22 JUL 66
Direct Support and general Support Maintenance Repair Parts and Special Tool Lists: Truck, Utility,: ¼ ton 4x4, M38A1 and M38A1C and Truck, Ambulance: Front Line, ¼ ton 4x4, M170.












M38A1 / M170 Miscellaneous Manuals and Pubs


LO 9-804A Lube Chart 6 SEP 52

LO 9-804A Lube Chart 21 MAR 53

LO 9-8014 Lube chart, varnished 23 MAR 56

LO 9-2320-208-12 Lube Chart 7 FEB 64

AR850-45/54 Vehicle markings, 1945-1954. End of WW2 and postwar (including Korean War)
104 pages. ... $19/£13.00

PM-2230 WINTERIZATION - Personnel Heater Kit for Willys M38A1 jeep. Fuel-burning. Well
illustrated with Ordnance and S-W parts numbers. 10 pages. ... $12/£9.50

MCO-P4750-3 USMC painting and registration markings, 1962-63. ... $15/£9.95


WW2 U.S. Army vehicles. Illustrated. 166 pages. ... $19/£14.50

(Carburetor - see M38 jeep) (TM 9-1826A Dec 1952 can be used but only covers YS637S)





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