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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: fording brackets Reply with quote

What is the width measurement of these brackets?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't make sense to me that on the middle fender bracket that one tube measurement is 2 1/2" one way and then 2 3/4" the other. Perhaps the bracket it pulled open a tad making it wider. I guess if I knew what outside diameter the fording tubing was, that would clarify it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what you're asking and the photo is not the best.
My fording tube (from MWM) is about 2-3/8" and fits loosely
in the fender bracket..
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How wide is the stock in those brackets. Right now in, particular the fender bracket. I cant tell if I should go with 3/4" or 1" flat strap.

My 2nd question or confusion, was in regard to the opening of the bracket for the intake tube. Your 2 3/8" measurement makes me think that the bracket opening will 2 1/2 ID.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1" strap.
tuned up the calipers..
tube 2.312
inside bracket 2.437 wide, 2.6 tall
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mr RickG man!




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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job bro.. Now i must ask something in return,
like my name on your jeep somewhere, preferably
on the Dmv Title Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was an honorable mention field on the tittle, it would say your name.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: fording brackets Reply with quote

Bretto, More nice work. Where did you find the power receptacle?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
Found the receptacle on ebay, then built my own cables bought at the welding supply shop.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: fording brackets Reply with quote

Thanks, the venders I checked on didn't show any. I'll check e-bay.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B-Bob, be aware most you'll see on flea bay are later generic units
with aprox 60" pos lead and aprox 12" neg lead. Plugs are molded with the leads so cannot be changed out for proper lead lengths. Look for a
receptical only "allenite" comes w/o leads so you can build your own
leads proper length like Bretto and I did.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: fording brackets Reply with quote

Thanks a LOT for the good information. I'll keep that in mind. Are there any other vehicles that use the same receptacles?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the Generic one pin receptacles were supplied to the Army on a standard milspec as were all the two pin receptacles. Although they are often not identical in appearance they always meet the same form and function requirements. The basic receptacle, irregardless of manufactuer's name, will bolt in the same opening using the same 4 bolt holes in all MV's of the same period.

Don't confuse a molded receptacle to a potted receptacle. Those receptacles shipped with cables installed were usually potted with a soft sealing compound that is removable when cables must be replaced.

As Rick advise always look for the cable-less receptacle so you don't have to fool with removing old potting and cleaning up so you can install the correct length cables. Most parts manuals will list the "Receptacle" part number and they often list a "Receptacle Assembly" part number. The first is without cables and the second is with.

I do not know of any MV's that used the same cable lengths that the M38 used.

The bare receptacles used on the M38 would have been the same part number as the bare receptacle used on an M37 or M35 built during the early 50's.

Some examples:

M38 - Receptacle with cables ORD# 7731421 (#2 AWG +=29" -=33")

M38 - Connector (Page 174 od ORD 9 SNL G-740)(Mis-Nomer should read receptacle) ORD# 7321299

M37 - Receptacle with cables ORD# 7351202 (#2 AWG + is about 40" & - 16")

M37 - Receptacle only ORD# 7321299

If you pursue an ORD# 7321299 you will eventually locate the receptacle without any cables attached.

Simple " 7321299 receptacle" search yields a few choices:

Brand new: http://www.alvatek.com/pages/part_detailx.php?part=7321299#

A wealth of info on the NSN page: http://www.nsn-now.com/Indexing/ViewDetail.aspx?QString=5935007321299

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National Stock Number:
5935-00-732-1299

Federal Supply Class:
5935

National Item Identification Number:
007321299

Description:
CONNECTOR,RECEPTACLE,ELECTRICAL


Manufacturer Information:
0109-0088 93742 ENGINEERED ELECTRIC COMPANY DBA DRS FERMONT
0305043 H0001 DAF TRUCKS N.V.
10-040736-024 77820 AMPHENOL CORPORATION DBA AMPHENOL AEROSPACE INDUSTRIAL DIV AMPHENOL AEROSPACE
10-40-736-24 50309 JOHN REINER & CO. INC.
1090701 16528 ALTEK SYSTEMS INC
11054 93742 ENGINEERED ELECTRIC COMPANY DBA DRS FERMONT
11550P11 27618 TAYLOR MACHINE WORKS, INC.
1268977 12204 DAIMLER CHRYSLER
1268977 93334 ATWOOD FENCE COMPANY INC.
13208E5819-3 81336 CHIEF OF ENGINEERS DEPT OF ARMY
13208E5819-3 97403 CECOM LR CENTER
137736 H0560 HCS TECHNOLOGY NV
17-00250 63734 KAITLIN CORP
18880 H0099 KONINKLYKE LANDMACHT DMKL DIRECTEURMATERIEEL KONINKLYKE LANDMA TEKENINGEN TEKENINGENARCHIEF
21800 15434 CUMMINS INC.
3040-M-246-1-001 38955 GE WATER & PROCESS TECHNOLOGIES
30860-40736 58250 BALLANTYNE OF OMAHA INC.
30860-40736 81336 CHIEF OF ENGINEERS DEPT OF ARMY
323-159 44940 CUMMINS POWER GENERATION INC.
338NM56646 K3743 BAE SYSTEMS GLOBAL COMBAT SYSTEMS LIMITED
45883 16004 DAVEY COMPRESSOR CO DIV OF KECO INDUSTRIES INC
50-40736-24C7321 81381 STEWART & STEVENSON POWER PRODUCTS LLC
517 53335 UNIVERSAL LOGISTICS CORP CLARK DIV
52415 81381 STEWART & STEVENSON POWER PRODUCTS LLC
5291619 24617 GENERAL MOTORS CORP
5291619 72582 TOGNUM AMERICA INC DBA FOREIGN PARENT IS MTU FRIEDRICHSHAFEN GMBH, DEUTSCHLAND, GE
5293029 23862 MILITARY VEHICLES OPN GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK AND BUS GROUP MS 2603-02
5293029 24617 GENERAL MOTORS CORP
60-040736-024 77820 AMPHENOL CORPORATION DBA AMPHENOL AEROSPACE INDUSTRIAL DIV AMPHENOL AEROSPACE
7321299 19207 U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM
7321299 5A910 ELC INDUSTRIES CORP. DBA AURORA CORD AND CABLE COMPANY
7321299 61090 GATEWAY CABLE, INC.
7321299 K0690 ITT INDUSTRIES CANNON VEAM
856.7409 H7701 CARGOTEC HOLDING NETHERLANDS B.V.
A282-704-5 50870 ARNOLD A. SEMLER, INC. DBA ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIES
C7321299 75377 KURZ & ROOT GENERATOR COMPANY LLC
D5147G3 46522 DCM MANUFACTURING INC.
D5147G5 46522 DCM MANUFACTURING INC.
EE313 77260 PIERCE CO INC THE SUB OF AVIS INDUSTRIAL CORP
HF2408 28835 HOBART BROS CO
JHP49-056 02032 HOLLINGSWORTH JOHN R CO
JHP99-277 02032 HOLLINGSWORTH JOHN R CO
LT1-466 03677 ANTHONY YORK CO
MS75058-1 96906 MILITARY STANDARDS PROMULGATED BY MILITARY DEPARTMENTS UNDER AUTHORITY OF DEFENSE STANDARDIZATION MANUAL 4120 3-M
NM56646 K3743 BAE SYSTEMS GLOBAL COMBAT SYSTEMS LIMITED
S9715 80072 H20 TANK INC U S MOTORS DIV
SVTG29 H0711 KONINKLYKE LANDMACHT DMKL-MVA 3 DIRECTIE MATERIEEL KONINKLYKE LANDMA MATERIEELVOORZIENINGSAFDELING 3
T321299CL 55972 HONEYWELL INTL INC DEFENSE AVIONICS SYSTEMS
TVA9999-2-3-054 H0711 KONINKLYKE LANDMACHT DMKL-MVA 3 DIRECTIE MATERIEEL KONINKLYKE LANDMA MATERIEELVOORZIENINGSAFDELING 3
WHT7000 H0050 FABRIEK VOOR AUTO- ENELECTROTECHNISCHE PRODUKTEN 'WHITE
XH5285 00642 HEALE MANUFACTURING CO., INC.


Here's a great listing showing examples of the early 2 pin, the late 1 pin and the 2pin to 1 pin adapters. http://www.tgccompany.com/connectors-receptacles-assemblies.html


Early 2 pin

Quote:
VEHICLE RECEPTACLE ASSEMBLY - PRODUCT DATA SHEET - MFR P/N: 7321299

click image to enlargeREQUEST A QUOTE
SCOPE:
MANUFACTURED IN THE UNITED STATES, IS QUALIFIED TO MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF MIL-PRF-62122(E)
PROCUREMENT APPROVED, BY US ARMY TANK-AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND
ORDNANCE P/N 7321299; NSN 5935-00-295-6403
MILITARY STANDARD P/N MS75058-1
SPECIFICATIONS
MATERIAL:
INSULATOR: MOLDED RUBBER
CONTACTS: COPPER ALLOY, SILVER PLATED, SOLDER FILLED
CAP & BODY: ALUMINUM CASTING
FINISH: CARC PAINT
ELECTRICAL:
24-28 VDC
245 AMPS CONTINUOUS DUTY
ENVIRONMENTAL:
RESISTANCE TO CORROSION
RESISTANCE TO PETROLEUM PRODUCTS EXPOSURE
RESISTANCE TO OZONE EXPOSURE
WATERPROOF
MATING INTERVEHICLE PLUG:
MPN 7728882
MPN MS75057
P/N 11677570



Late MV 1 pin.


Another late 1 pin


Another late 1 pin


Another late 1 pin.


Early 2 pin to late 1 pin adapter

PDF drawing of adapter: http://www.tgccompany.com/pdf/11677570%20MFR%2061090%20%20%20WI.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: fording brackets Reply with quote

Thanks Wesk, for answering my question and all the good information.
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