Joined: May 30, 2014 Posts: 3444 Location: Texas Hill Country
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:34 am Post subject:
For comparison, here is my left side M38 bracket under construction.
It is different as it has additional bracing and a hole. The bracing not visible on my part yet is to prevent crushing the part when you bolt the seat frame to the wheelhouse.
The right side is virtually identical as mine at thus point, if you discard the top two flats. From there down the right side looks just like this.
Just adjust the bends to make that flat the seat frame sits on level.
You can see the similarities between the front end of both right wheel houses. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Apr 16, 2014 Posts: 12 Location: Sussex, UK
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject:
4x4M38 wrote:
Here’s the M38 bracket:
The seat frame sits on this to prevent landing on the wheelhouse front.
That looks an altogether simpler arrangement. Something tells me my original M38A1 tub, which was January '53 so pre-spring bracket, had this set-up. Sadly it's long gone now, so no way I can go back to look. That would certainly fix the problem and all I would have to do is fix the spring loaded bolt to stop the seat flying forwards when I don't want it to. How wide is the shelf it sits on? It looks to be about 1/2 inch from the picture.
Joined: Oct 02, 2014 Posts: 1904 Location: South Carolina, Dorchester County
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:59 pm Post subject:
I searched high and low in the forum for a photo or sketch of that seat rest with dimensions ---- no joy. Maybe I missed it, because search terms can be tricky, mis-spelled words and all.
Anyway, unless our most gracious hosts of this forum might have that Willys drawing in the library(?), I'd be glad to measure mine (M38) and sketch it for you. Give me a day or two and I'll post it Saturday. _________________ Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
“The only good sports car that America ever made was the Jeep."
--- Enzo Ferrari
Keep in mind the original early M38A1 did not have any support for the seat back. NONE. The shiney painted photo is of the M38's wheel house mounted support shelf. Also keep in mind the distance from the front edge seat mounting pivots to the tab may differ between the M38 and the M38A1.
I'd mount the seat and tilt it aft till the left rear leg just hits the floor solid and then select a mounting point that matches the seat back frame tube you wish to use. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: May 30, 2014 Posts: 3444 Location: Texas Hill Country
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:25 am Post subject:
Thanks Ron. You could measure yours. 😬
At least the width of the horizontal part the frame sits on.
Wes makes a good point. I bet the bottom of the seat frame on both vehicles arrives at pretty much the same point at the bend in the wheelhouse front. You basically want the back to be level across the width.
Use cardboard for a pattern. Cut to width (1”?) and leave it long. Start at the top or bottom ( may be easier), lower your seat frame and block in the right place (height). There’s not much room between the frame and the wheelhouse, just room for the bracket back and a little wiggle room. Definitely not an interference fit.
Bend up your cardboard for the horizontal shelf, then finish the bend back to the wheelhouse. Making it out of cardboard allows you to fiddle with it until you get what you want.
Zoom it out of sheet metal, clean up the edges. Drill a couple of holes for spot welds, and tack it in!
Joined: Oct 02, 2014 Posts: 1904 Location: South Carolina, Dorchester County
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:20 pm Post subject:
I looked up and down the M38 ORD9 for the passenger seat stop bracket, and couldn't find it listed by itself. On page 296, under WO-673368, it's described as part of Panel, Wheelhouse Rear, Right (welded)(includes inner panel, top panel, and front seat stop bracket). I didn't look in the M38A1 ORD9.
I was able to find the drivers seat stop bracket listed in the M38 ORD9 on page 295, WO-673487, Bracket, Stop, left front seat (welded). I didn't remove my drivers seat to look, but am fairly sure the drivers seat stop bracket isn't identical to the passenger seat stop bracket.
Anyway, here's a couple of photos of my M38 PASSENGER SEAT STOP BRACKET, with a sketch of the dims...hope this helps.
_________________ Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
“The only good sports car that America ever made was the Jeep."
--- Enzo Ferrari
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