Joined: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 606 Location: Illinois
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:16 am Post subject:
You can buy relatively inexpensive lock out hubs - I picked up ones for my jeeps on ebay for less than $40. Weren't garish chrome jobs. They are not heavy duty types for serious off-roading but they work. Painted them OD and they don't look too out of place. Or about as original as Clary flanges would. The advantage of lock out hubs is that you can easily put them into 4WD mode and "exercise" the front axle periodically - move the turning parts, grease and oil around. Something my old CJ7's owner's manual recommended. Just a thought. _________________ 1951 M38
Even that Sears hub in OD still is missing the little stock hub cap.
The closest looking free wheel device to the stock setup is most certainly the Clary hub. The average jeep hobbyist eyes will usually pass right over it when viewing a show jeep. I can't think of any jeep hobbyist that would not notice any of the commercial free wheel selectable hubs instantly.
Do you recall who manufactured the Allstate hubs for Sears? _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Aug 31, 2010 Posts: 1740 Location: SO IDAHO
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:33 am Post subject:
wesk wrote:
Do you recall who manufactured the Allstate hubs for Sears?
No I don't Wes.
The one and only reason I use the locking hubs on my M38 is the
pure and simple utility. Engaged when you need it, disengaged when
you don't. _________________ keep 'em rollin'
RICKG MC 51986 DOD 01-52, '50 CJ3a
I fully understand the utility and that is why I use them. I was answering the which look more stock issue which is clearly only the Clary's.
I found my old notes. The Sears Allstate were usually Selectro. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:08 am Post subject:
It seems to me the optimum solution to Steve's issue about driving in parades would be to do a combination of both. If you don't plan on using 4wd remove the front drivshaft so when in 4wheel low you are not turning anything in the front axle from the transfercase, and use Clary flanges so you are not turning the front axle carrier assembly as the Jeep rolls down the road. You could accomplish the same thing the Clary flange will do by taking the stock hub flanges and having the splines machined out of them, could you not? _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
Yes they are easy to buy. Willys Acres in Canada has stock. Six bolts you uncsrew swap plates and rescrew the six bolts. Piece of cake.
The issues, the hubs and the answers have been around for the last 50 years I have been using jeeps.
1-Want full time two wheel drive then pull the 4WD stuff.
2-Want the flexibility to quickly loose or gain front wheel drive and get better 2WD fuel mileage. Buy locking hubs.
3-Low utilization and city driving for parades then use the Clary hubs. Note reaming the splines out of your stock hubs makes quick conversion back to stock impossible without new drive plates and creates a wear issue on the spline end of the driveshafts since the Clary hub has a bearing for the spline end of the shaft to ride in there is no wear with the Clary. no brainer, use the Clary. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 606 Location: Illinois
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:39 am Post subject:
Clary flanges have no splines so the front axle has nothing to grab to drive the wheel. With Clary flanges you are in 2WD mode even if you shift the transfer into gear, either 4WD high or low range. But if you want to creep along in 4WD low range you can do that on hard surfaced roads. If you want the advantages of all wheels being driven again, carry along the original splined flanges and a socket wrench - unbolt the 6 bolts (x 2 for both sides), put on the drive flanges and away you go. Takes a little more time but I wouldn't want to do it if already bogged down in mud!! _________________ 1951 M38
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:19 am Post subject:
so if i understand well the clarey flanges just isolates the front axle and u can use the low with the 2wd,am I correct? YES
Also The clarey flanges can not engage the 4wd if i want to do that,am i correct? Yes
If i want to use periodic the front axle (when i m in mud or snow) and also have the oportunity to drive in low with 2wd THEN i must put lock hubs ?
Yes
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