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gorzel
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 Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Spare tire placement |
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On my 51 M38 the spare tire is holder is on the passenger side. My jeep has been modified a bunch so it is hard to tell what is original and what is not. I have seen pictures with the spare tire on the side and the back is one correct and one not or are they both correct
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wesk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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The Willys factory installed M38 spare went on the right side of the tailgate.
There has been some discussion on the spare placement when the Recoiless rifle was field installed. There's not a lot of info on this available yet.
The M38CDN in this illustration carries it on the hood and removes the windshield.
The US M38 in this photo just doesn't carry one and left the windshield on.
If the military did elect to side mount the spare the most obvious place to mount it was on the right rear quarter since this area was already reinforced and had the 4 holes predrilled for the civvy sapre carrier bracket.
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gorzel
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Wes. The tire mount is on the side on mine so I guess I need to think about moving it.
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keats
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| according to my copy of the installation instructions for the recoilless on a M38, the spare tire is moved to the passenger side of the jeep in front of the rear tire. Pictures from installation copy in my photo section on the site. |
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cmpman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Regarding the spare tire placement on the M38 Cdn, I have had these and can comment on it's design. It consisted of the standard commercial type spare tire bracket mounted on to a wooden A-frame. The A frame resembled the end of a safety barricade, like you would see when a road is closed. The peak of the a frame mounted in to a sheet metal socket near the windshield, and the forward legs were secured by a pair of hood latches. This allowed removal to access the engine compartment. |
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wesk
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cmpman
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a (poor) photo of a M38Cdn with the recoiless kit. Some minor detail of the spare tire carrier can be seen.
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LoboMike
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: RE: fire exdinguisher placement |
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Is the fire exdinguisher placed correctly in the bottom pic with the cdn recoiless?
Thanx Mike |
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Allan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought the whole thing was made of steel (hood mount)
This explaines why I am missing the sides of the frame and the carriage bolts still there are so rotted.
I have all the other pieces and will try and post them below.
If anyone wants more details let me know
Allan
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Allan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Another one of the front bar.
It does not use hood latches but 2 "L" shaped threaded rods with wingnuts
The wingnuts are nothing more than nuts with bars welded on them.
They may be home made but the rods look stock.
Allan
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Powermwt
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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What I find fascinating about this on the hood carrier is that the location is not new, the WWII Holden ambulance jeeps had them, but the materials have changed.
The practical application of using materials available, in the case the standard spare tire mount is similar to the way the ambulance jeeps reused the original spare tire carrier on the top of the hood.
cmpman, those guys need goggles or they will get bugs in their eyes. 
Very cool. 
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usma41
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, Guys a lot of what you find on these vehicles where feild modifications ether by unit or indevisual. As far as the fire extiguser is concerend the factory never installed any and a lot of units kept it that way. Like I said before, I have one (Mod) in my 38 only because of indoor events. Wes is correct as to where the factory put them in the first picture, after that it was per unit discretion. If you notice the wording under the picture of the CDN illistration you will see the word modified. |
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