Help to ident bumper #'s

highland62 · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Help to ident bumper #'s

Can anyone help identify what these #'s are . I bought this '52 M38 partly restored and did not get to see this before it was sanded and repainted

usma41 · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject:

Well the first part looks to me like Michigan/Main National Guard

wesk · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject:

Looks like :

MNG 212.I A 3 BN HQ

There are also a set of numbers and letters beneath this set.

Maybe Manitoba NG 212 Infantry A company 3rd Battalion Headquarters
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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highland62 · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: bumper #'s

Wes, it must come from years of looking at Jeep's because I couldn't get half of what you seen,Wow. Does all that mean anything to you? When I bought this Jeep I was told that it is American on the word of the previous owners and because of the word Jeep on the front of the tool box , apparently the Canadian one's did not have that? does this make sense? The other thing that I am hoping is that when I sand the layer of yellow off the hood I am going to find numbers !All this is new to me , this is my second restoration but the first one was my '47- 2A and all I know about M38 numbers is what I have been able to read on line. Are there any other ares that I should pay closer attention to incase of hidden #'s when I am stripping the rest of the tub?
I don't know the Sin # there are no data plates
# on body tag behind pass seat 61887
Eng Sin #MC 86224
Thanks Dan , also thanks to the other post.

OKCM38CDN · Guest

Do not count the Jeep script out on Canadian M-38s... Mine had it before I started my restoral... I kept the tool box to save that piece of metal...

Also the Canadian M-38s had their CAR numbers stamped into the Drivers side front frame rail behind the bumper (top of rail)...

With you being in NS, I wuild say you have a M-38 that used to belong to the Maine National Guard... you might give them a call and ask about the numbers...

Hope this helps...

usma41 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:22 am Post subject:

I read somewhere that any Jeep made in Canada had it's engine painted gray.

highland62 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: bumper #'s

Thanks for the though on the Maine Natonial Gaurd, That would make sense because the owner before the gentleman that I got it from was in New Brunswick very close to the border.
My friend has '52 CDN M38 and his does have the numbers stamped in the top of the frame just behind the bumper,mine does not.
Any ideas on how to contact the National Gaurd?
As far as the other post about the engines in the Canadian Jeeps being Gray , I was told by a guy who restores them that after they were rebuilt they were then painted Gray.
Thanks again for the Info Dan

wesk · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

The CDN's did not have the Willys patent plate with the MC serial number behind the passenger's seat like yours. You have a US built MC61887, date of delivery April 1952, your hood registration number would be in the 20909XXX range. Now that you have made it quite clear it is not a M38CDN then the bumper markings would indicate a US state's national guard unit. Due to location the guess that it may be Maine is very possible. The engine serail MC86224 may very well be original to the jeep.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

highland62 · Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Bumper #'s

Wes, thanks for the information. i sent an E-Mail this morning to the Maine National Guard web site looking for related Info, I'll let you know if I have any luck...TKS Dan

cmpman · Member Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 47

I would agree with highland62 about the engine colours. Having installed dozens of Cdn military Jeep engines while in service, I can tell you that the grey was a rebuild colour. It was uncommon to see a Jeep with the origoinal engines in them, since we kept the vehicles in service so many years, that the majority had the engines replaced at least once.
The service life of the Canadian Willys engines were only about 25,000 to 35,000 miles. This was true of both the flathead and Fhead engines.


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