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Old Jeep. M38A1 with a MD?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:34 pm    Post subject: Old Jeep. M38A1 with a MD? Reply with quote

Hello All,
Got a good one for you. Met a man at car show and he invited me to see a jeep that he had on his property since Jesus was here. Now I know alittle to know this is a M38a1 with a M28 top on it. I THINK it is a C class because it has the Collars around the springs and the windshield frame has a spot were it was "fixed" for a solid glass windshield. But the Tag on the wheel cover starts with MD... So could this be a Jeep used for the Davey Crocket?
What I seen of this is the bottom body is shot and can't really see the frame much. The engine looks intact ( Dumb me didn't turn the fan) but not sure if siezed. Only the radiator has been taken out by vandals. Inside very much shot.
So trying to help him out and maybe me to get a hook off the front for my efforts. HOW MUCH COUILD THIS BE WORTH AS IS? 300 yards off the rd and in overgrown drive?
Also, I heard about the diagonal fenders. Forgot what they mean?? Any help would be great..



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wes can correct me if I am wrong but if I understand your post correctly:

Model B was the Willys WWII jeep after the test models --MB

Model C is the M38 --MC

Model D is the M38A1 --MD
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is an M38A1 with an odd ball civilian hard top.





It sounds like you are describing some traits of a field converted M38A1C, recoiless rifle jeep. However the windshield doesn't look like a M38A1C windshield but it does look like she had the front right spare tire setup reinforcements installed although they don't seem to have the correct rivet arrangement.





Are these the spring items you were referring to:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He stated the tag in the jeep started with MD? Did these jeep have the spring castors too? How much would this be worth the way it sits?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the rust is as pervasive as that on the loose door, I would value it a 500 dollars, give or take.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the title for my jeep. IT starts as 4@4M38A1#####. So on the data plate at the rear whell cover. Is that number different or did my title get a new VIN. How rare are the fenders this early?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you confirm what I asked about it possibly being an M38A1C. It is definately not a Davy Crocket M38A1D. Are the coil springs I posted what you saw?

If the only answer that interests you on this post is price then knowing which configuration it is has a great deal to do with price. So give it a try and answer a few questions.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can see from under the carriage was the half moon inserts around the springs and I know the windshield had a slot in it but had a small piece tacked into it to hold the one piece glass. I just spoke to him and he and I hope me will pull it out into the open to look more.
I mainly want this to goto a good home or even try to salvage something from this. To me this is histiory and would if I could restore it but I have my own project now.
The bars you pictured would be placed where the xeroxed sheet shows? I look when we pukk it..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly are these
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the half moon inserts around the springs
you are talking about?

Perhaps you can pick out these "Half moon inserts) in the two M38A1 spring illustrations below?

[img]the half moon inserts around the springs[/img]


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The half moon inserts are around the springs. There is also rubber pads that were added on too..
Weird question. MY serial number is MD 82557, But there are jeep that are older with LOWER numbers. Were these sequential?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MY serial number is MD 82557, But there are jeep that are older with LOWER numbers. Were these sequential?


The first M38A1 was MD10001. Each one after that is newer or younger! Yes the numbers are sequential.

Can you tell me if these "Half Moon Inserts & Rubbers" you keep referring to are anywhere in the parts illustration I posted? If you see them there what item letter are they. If you do not see them there then they are not part of a facturay original M38A1.

If you take a little time and download the M38A1C conversion kit instructions and read them maybe you'll see these " Half moon inserts and rubbers" you are talking about. And maybe even give us a visual reference for them.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Page 17, the Cap around the springs. That would be the half moons. I called them that cause the first time I seen one it was only one half. The third picture you posted. The green bars. I can't see those on my jeep but not sure where to look and the conversion didn't show them.
My dash plate number is 19757 and the date is early 1953 but the data plate on the rear well is MD82557. I wonder if the body was replaced since my number there is higher that a 1953 wllys that had a confirmed plate?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Page 17, the Cap around the springs. That would be the half moons. I called them that cause the first time I seen one it was only one half.




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The green bars. I can't see those on my jeep but not sure where to look and the conversion didn't show them.




You have to look real close to see the dimension lines for frilling the holes that match the two spare tire carrier doublers. The holes went just above and just below the external power receptacle.

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My dash plate number is 19757 and the date is early 1953 but the data plate on the rear well is MD82557.


You will never be able to resolve that conflict. There is no way to determine if that tub was a replacement where the replacer moved the correct dash plate to the replacement tub but failed to swap the tub's plate or that dash plate was thrown on that tub which was original to the jeep because the title was for the lower serial number. However the frame usually can be married to a specific serial group.

MD 19757 would have come on this front frame:



MD82557 would have come on this front frame:


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