ISO split rivets for grill welting

Kendall · Post by **Kendall** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:09 pm

So a while back I ordered the grill welting and rivets and then put it aside. Now it is time to install it so I started in the middle and was working my way outwards when I soon found out the outer rivets needed to be longer than the middle ones, yet all of the ones in the package I bought are the same length. Does anyone know where these can be purchased locally (hardware/ big box stores) or does anyone have about 8 that I can buy?
The ones I have are 3/8" long and it appears that I need 1/2" long ones.
Thanks,
Kendall

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:51 pm

Hi Kendall,
I'm pretty sure I've seen them in the Hillman bins at my local Ace Hardware Store. I can go look and check my memory. You're looking for 1/2-inch length......what diameter?

Kendall · Post by **Kendall** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:56 pm

Thanks Ron. I just checked one of our local hardware stores and no split rivets. These are 1/8" diameter.

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:59 pm

Ok, 1/8 x 1/2 long. I'll stop by tomorrow and hopefully confirm my memory. Standby.....

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:25 pm

Kendall,
Just poking my memory while the store is closed....this is what I expect to find (cost less than a nickel each):

https://shop.hillmangroup.com/ccrz__Pro ... clcl=en_US

https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-12 ... 3C3U&psc=1

Sure 1/2 is long enough? They appear to have 5/8 also. I recall seeing brass or copper in the bin as well as steel.....maybe old stock.

The ORD9 page 324 calls for quantity 13 of Rivet, Split, Steel, Oval head, Black enameled, 9/64 x 7/16

Post by **wesk** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:17 pm

Kendall did not tell us which model jeep he is working on so I checked both IPL's and the M38A1 & M38 both use a split rivet pn 113454 listed on both manuals as 9/64 x 7/16 and the quantity listed is 13.

Here is what I found on line:
https://www.zoro.com/zoro-select-split- ... /G1302524/

ZORO SELECT
Split Rivet, 9/64, Pk100
Zoro #: G1302524 Mfr #: 6LB78
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$13.59 ($0.14/unit)
Hole Size: 0.156 in
Head Dia.: 0.313 in
Rivet Length: 7/16 in
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Kendall · Post by **Kendall** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:28 pm

This is for one of my M38s (but it does not seem to make a difference for this part between the two models). I'm thinking 7/16 would be a bit shy to go through the material and two layers of steel, but that is what the manual says. But Ron I am still thinking 1/8"X1/2" would be fine. Thanks for checking.
Kendall

Post by **wesk** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:47 pm

The web site I posted sells all the sizes you mentioned.

Split rivets to replace Willys grill welt rivets pn 113454 9/64x7/16
https://www.zoro.com/zoro-select-split- ... /G1302524/
ZORO SELECT
Split Rivet, 9/64, Pk100
• Zoro #: G1302524

• Mfr #: 6LB78
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$13.59 ($0.14/unit)
• Hole Size: 0.156 in
• Head Dia.: 0.313 in
• Rivet Length: 7/16 in
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If welt is a bit thicker then original:
Zoro Select #6LB78 Specifications
• Zoro #: G1302524

• Mfr #: 6LB78
Hole Size: 0.156 in Head Dia.: 0.313 in
Rivet Length: 7/16 in Package Quantity: 100
Rivet Body Material: Steel Rivet Material: Nickel Plated Steel
Rivet Style: Split Rivet Rivet Head Style: Truss
Item: Split Rivet Rivet Dia.: 9/64 in
Head Type: Truss Fastener Finish: Nickel Plated

https://www.zoro.com/zoro-select-split- ... /G2016192/

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$11.22 ($0.11/unit)
• Hole Size: 0.156 in
• Head Type: Truss
• Head Dia.: 0.313 in
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Zoro Select #6LB79 Specifications
• Zoro #: G2016192

• Mfr #: 6LB79
Hole Size: 0.156 in Head Type: Truss
Head Dia.: 0.313 in Fastener Finish: Nickel Plated
Rivet Head Style: Truss Rivet Body Material: Steel
Rivet Length: 1/2 in Rivet Style: Split Rivet
Item: Split Rivet Package Quantity: 100
Rivet Dia.: 9/64 in Rivet Material: Nickel Plated Steel

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:49 am

Hi Kendall,
Yes, my local Ace Hardware has Hillman 1/8x1/2 steel split rivets, but pretty pricey at .40 cents each, plus 7% sales tax. Cost for 8 would be $3.45 plus postage, guessing another $4 for that.

As mentioned above, you could buy a lifetime supply for not much more than that ---- and then we could ask you to buy some!

Let me know if you want me to put some in the mail. Glad to help.

Kendall · Post by **Kendall** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:19 pm

Hi Ron,
Thanks for your effort. This is what I learned from this exercise- not all hardware stores are the same. After going to my local Ace Hardware and not finding split rivets I posted the plea. Ron said his local hardware store had them, so today I called another (Ace) hardware store in town. No luck. I then looked online and found several Ace Hardware stores in town and one True Value Hardware store. So I called them, and sure enough they had want I needed. So went there after work and bought what I needed. So next time I need some hardware and Ace doesn't have it, always try True Value.
Kendall

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:36 pm

Glad you found them!

I'm fortunate to have an Ace about 1/2 mile away, a newer store, maybe 10 years old. Their Hillman bins are pretty good, but for really hard-to-find obscure stuff I go to the 50 year old Ace in the next town over. Old school hardware store. Cracks me up that I can stump most of their young employees when looking for really hard-to-find stuff.

Xamon · Post by **Xamon** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:14 am

Does not take much to stump alot of them these days. Simple things like marret, grommet, and zip tie have drawn blank looks at some of the places I have been. I mean the automotive area employees at the one store did not know what a battery terminal brush was....

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:46 am

Ok, I'll bite.

What's a marret?

Post by **wesk** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:41 am

Good question. The only answer on Google is: https://marret.com/

Marret Asset Management Inc.: Homehttps://marret.com
Marret Asset Management Inc. is a specialist fixed income manager focused on corporate credit strategies. With mandates in investment grade credit, short-term ...

Xamon · Post by **Xamon** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:13 pm

I am told they may be called wire nuts in some places. I think I forgot an e on the end. Marrette.